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Skipping Ghost in the Machine, because it makes my head hurt, and I thought the plot was dumb. Also, if they could bring back *Carson*, why not Elizabeth? I mean, I know why not, too much behind the scenes drama, but still. At least Carson's gone back to Earth, I guess...
God, John. Joe Flanigan's really good at that whole 'holding it together by half a thread' thing. I would have *loved* to see John, Ronon and Teyla on their own together (um, together, with no-one else there, so that actually makes sense), just to see what they're like when they're not all holding it together because there's someone else there.
John and Teyla are so good with Rodney when he's got really bad - so gentle and careful. And Jeannie, of course. I love Jeannie, the way she leaves in order to fall apart, and stands up for what she thinks is the right decision.
Keller - okay, I get where she's going with the whole 'never give up, we can fix it' thing but - the guy you like is sick and probably dying, and has told you he's in love with you. I'm pretty sure that's the point where you remove yourself from his care, because you're too emotionally involved, and not really able to make professional decisions. I know this is SGA, where they frequently pretend there aren't any other doctors in the city but - leaving aside the whole 'he's my patient, I get final say' thing, just no. That said, I do like her standing up to John and the others, which she wouldn't have done last season.
Rodney's 'I love you' to Keller - yeah, I don't think so. One drink the better part of a year ago, and they clearly get on well enough, so, why no further move if he's in love? Unless I love you is the best way he has of expressing some kind of attraction at that point in the disease. I wonder if Keller believes him.
Rats, what else did I have to say?
Radek coming down from the jumper bay and just walking past silently was great, so, so subtle, the kind of thing you don't catch until the second time through, when it's suddenly obvious that he went to say goodbye.
Various other random things...
1. Amelia the gate tech - I know she only has a few words but I *love* her. I loved that whole little exchange with her and Woolsey, it was so entertainingly random. Actually, I loved the whole scene as the team was going out, but then, I always do. I would totally watch an entire episode around what happens in the gate room, never seeing the rest of Atlantis or the other worlds. I'm weird like that.
2. John, if you're going to be running around metal piers in the middle of the night, maybe some shoes? That must be cold. Which, yes, I know, not what I was meant to be focussing on in that scene (which was completely adorable) but, you know, the uniforms made sense this week, I've got to focus on something.
3. Teyla's green coat is still gorgeous. She has such nice clothes.
4. The pulled-back scene of the team on the gate, and the valley and the glacier was *gorgeous*. SGA has some amazing special effects backgrounds (like the blown out towers in the first episode of last season, when John and Zelenka went to fix... whatever it was they went to fix).
5. OMG, listen to Ronon and Teyla when they tell you about Pegasus. They know what they're talking about.
6. Speaking of gate room moments - I have no idea why, but I love the few seconds between them bringing Rodney through the gate and John running off. I think it's the John and Woolsey thing - I never expected to like Woolsey, but they work well together, from a story point of view. In reality, I expect they'd kill each other (well, John would. Woolsey's too polite).
7. Hi, random marine on the mission. Where did you go after the waterfall?
8. A couple of people have said that John going along with the whole 'one day, then death with dignity' thing is kind of out of character, that he'd push to the bitter end, and (surprise surprise) I disagree. Look at Elizabeth and the nanites when she was injured in the Replicator attack on Atlantis - he was completely prepared to let her die than reactivate them, because he knew it was what she'd prefer. Ditto Rodney in this, and, okay, he was wrong, but I don't think it was such a stretch to think that.
And that's all I've got.
I'm not thinking about the time travel, time lines, thing, because it makes my head hurt. Time travel always does. Also, the ending *really* makes my head hurt. I mean, what did Cam *do* for ten years before getting on that ship? He doesn't even exist at this point, and neither does the SGC. It's not like he can just turn up on the Air Force's doorstep and explain that he came from another timeline. What did he do for the next fifty years, come to that? Because my mind is going to seriously warped places (I'm sorry, there's a weird vibe between him and his grandfather) and I *do not want* it to be going there.
That aside, I liked this. Cam, Sam and Daniel were... not funny, given the circumstances, but they had some good lines, especially Daniel. I like him a lot more when he's sarcastic. And Sam, flying - that was cool. As was the walk through the SGC at the very start - see, more stuff where they just do boring day-to-day things. I love that stuff (God, I'm a terrible sci-fi fan. Aliens, strange worlds, mysterious devices - nope, I just want people snarking at each other and discussing whether they have time to get breakfast). The threeway interview was cool as well; I like that Cam's the one who comes closest to actually cracking. I like that Cam actually sometimes does crack a little bit, that he's not been toughened up to all the really bad SG1 stuff that the others have, even though he's had some really bad moments.
Also - Vala to the rescue, even when she was a bad guy. And Teal'c and Cam bonding - I always forget how much I like the idea of the two of them together until I see them on screen again.
And Landry - God, he gives me the creeps. What right do they have to change the timeline? Excuse me, their timeline was there first! It's the one that should have existed, what right does he have to keep it the way it is now? Shudder.
Interestingly, continuing the theme of Cam abandoned out of time without John. It's always Cam - I'd be getting a complex if I were him, even though he doesn't know it happened this time. I want to write the story where, in the first alternate timeline, he looks up John and finds that he was killed in Afghanistan a few years ago (no, I don't know why he was either). Which is sad and terrible, and then Cam runs into Brendan Dean (the male lead from Thoughtcrimes, who's played by the same guy as plays John) and they somehow end up together, both of them with these secrets they can't tell (Brendan's partner reads minds). It'd be totally pointless, emo-angst porn, but I want to write it anyway. Anyone have any idea where Cam might have been living in that timeline?
God, John. Joe Flanigan's really good at that whole 'holding it together by half a thread' thing. I would have *loved* to see John, Ronon and Teyla on their own together (um, together, with no-one else there, so that actually makes sense), just to see what they're like when they're not all holding it together because there's someone else there.
John and Teyla are so good with Rodney when he's got really bad - so gentle and careful. And Jeannie, of course. I love Jeannie, the way she leaves in order to fall apart, and stands up for what she thinks is the right decision.
Keller - okay, I get where she's going with the whole 'never give up, we can fix it' thing but - the guy you like is sick and probably dying, and has told you he's in love with you. I'm pretty sure that's the point where you remove yourself from his care, because you're too emotionally involved, and not really able to make professional decisions. I know this is SGA, where they frequently pretend there aren't any other doctors in the city but - leaving aside the whole 'he's my patient, I get final say' thing, just no. That said, I do like her standing up to John and the others, which she wouldn't have done last season.
Rodney's 'I love you' to Keller - yeah, I don't think so. One drink the better part of a year ago, and they clearly get on well enough, so, why no further move if he's in love? Unless I love you is the best way he has of expressing some kind of attraction at that point in the disease. I wonder if Keller believes him.
Rats, what else did I have to say?
Radek coming down from the jumper bay and just walking past silently was great, so, so subtle, the kind of thing you don't catch until the second time through, when it's suddenly obvious that he went to say goodbye.
Various other random things...
1. Amelia the gate tech - I know she only has a few words but I *love* her. I loved that whole little exchange with her and Woolsey, it was so entertainingly random. Actually, I loved the whole scene as the team was going out, but then, I always do. I would totally watch an entire episode around what happens in the gate room, never seeing the rest of Atlantis or the other worlds. I'm weird like that.
2. John, if you're going to be running around metal piers in the middle of the night, maybe some shoes? That must be cold. Which, yes, I know, not what I was meant to be focussing on in that scene (which was completely adorable) but, you know, the uniforms made sense this week, I've got to focus on something.
3. Teyla's green coat is still gorgeous. She has such nice clothes.
4. The pulled-back scene of the team on the gate, and the valley and the glacier was *gorgeous*. SGA has some amazing special effects backgrounds (like the blown out towers in the first episode of last season, when John and Zelenka went to fix... whatever it was they went to fix).
5. OMG, listen to Ronon and Teyla when they tell you about Pegasus. They know what they're talking about.
6. Speaking of gate room moments - I have no idea why, but I love the few seconds between them bringing Rodney through the gate and John running off. I think it's the John and Woolsey thing - I never expected to like Woolsey, but they work well together, from a story point of view. In reality, I expect they'd kill each other (well, John would. Woolsey's too polite).
7. Hi, random marine on the mission. Where did you go after the waterfall?
8. A couple of people have said that John going along with the whole 'one day, then death with dignity' thing is kind of out of character, that he'd push to the bitter end, and (surprise surprise) I disagree. Look at Elizabeth and the nanites when she was injured in the Replicator attack on Atlantis - he was completely prepared to let her die than reactivate them, because he knew it was what she'd prefer. Ditto Rodney in this, and, okay, he was wrong, but I don't think it was such a stretch to think that.
And that's all I've got.
I'm not thinking about the time travel, time lines, thing, because it makes my head hurt. Time travel always does. Also, the ending *really* makes my head hurt. I mean, what did Cam *do* for ten years before getting on that ship? He doesn't even exist at this point, and neither does the SGC. It's not like he can just turn up on the Air Force's doorstep and explain that he came from another timeline. What did he do for the next fifty years, come to that? Because my mind is going to seriously warped places (I'm sorry, there's a weird vibe between him and his grandfather) and I *do not want* it to be going there.
That aside, I liked this. Cam, Sam and Daniel were... not funny, given the circumstances, but they had some good lines, especially Daniel. I like him a lot more when he's sarcastic. And Sam, flying - that was cool. As was the walk through the SGC at the very start - see, more stuff where they just do boring day-to-day things. I love that stuff (God, I'm a terrible sci-fi fan. Aliens, strange worlds, mysterious devices - nope, I just want people snarking at each other and discussing whether they have time to get breakfast). The threeway interview was cool as well; I like that Cam's the one who comes closest to actually cracking. I like that Cam actually sometimes does crack a little bit, that he's not been toughened up to all the really bad SG1 stuff that the others have, even though he's had some really bad moments.
Also - Vala to the rescue, even when she was a bad guy. And Teal'c and Cam bonding - I always forget how much I like the idea of the two of them together until I see them on screen again.
And Landry - God, he gives me the creeps. What right do they have to change the timeline? Excuse me, their timeline was there first! It's the one that should have existed, what right does he have to keep it the way it is now? Shudder.
Interestingly, continuing the theme of Cam abandoned out of time without John. It's always Cam - I'd be getting a complex if I were him, even though he doesn't know it happened this time. I want to write the story where, in the first alternate timeline, he looks up John and finds that he was killed in Afghanistan a few years ago (no, I don't know why he was either). Which is sad and terrible, and then Cam runs into Brendan Dean (the male lead from Thoughtcrimes, who's played by the same guy as plays John) and they somehow end up together, both of them with these secrets they can't tell (Brendan's partner reads minds). It'd be totally pointless, emo-angst porn, but I want to write it anyway. Anyone have any idea where Cam might have been living in that timeline?
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In terms of what Cam did in the past, I read a (very short) fic recently where he joined the R.A.F. after saving the Stargate, which struck me as something he might do. The ten years before are tougher--that would have been a rough period to live through.
I'm not sure the consequences of multiple realities is terribly well-explored in most of Stargate. As I understand it, Ba'al didn't so much change the timeline as generate a new one, and so SG-1 wasn't really trying to restore the timeline so much as generate yet another one. I don't think there was really any way to eliminate the other timelines. Though I could be misunderstanding the writers' intentions.
I read a great SF story once featuring a world in which they'd found proof of the existence of multiple universes reflecting all the possible choices each person could make. The result was a rash of suicides, with people deciding there really wasn't any point in going on when no decision had meaning (since in another reality, their counterpart was making a different decision) and really, they didn't need to go on here since their counterparts would go on elsewhere. SG-1 is, of course, composed of go-getters who will fight on, and yet I do wonder if none of them ever get tired....
On a different note, would it be terrible of me to point out that I included John/Cam in one of prompts for Happyfest II? Comment-length, and it might be a nice contrast after writing Apocafic.
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Yeah, see, this is why time travel makes my head hurt. Because half the time they're generating new ones, and half the time they seem to be changing the existing one (like The Last Man, which was more changing the existing one, since they had the same John. I think. Maybe.)
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See, this is why time travel makes my head hurt. Because, if he goes back in the same time line he went forward in, then... you know what, I don't think I can even articulate what it is that confuses me there. It just seems wrong somehow. I think I'm better off not thinking about it too hard.
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I saw Ben at a con this past weekend and someone did ask a question about what Cam did during the ten years. Ben said the most sensible thing would be Cam holing up somewhere, maybe even in a cave, until he needed to go save the world. But he actually wrote a short piece on what happened for... the iTunes download version? Anyway he said writing about ten years of hiding would have been boring, so instead in that short piece he travels the world. But Ben said it was kind of unrealistic in his opinion of the character.
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Anyway he said writing about ten years of hiding would have been boring, so instead in that short piece he travels the world. But Ben said it was kind of unrealistic in his opinion of the character.
Yeah, holing up makes more sense. I guess it was probably easier in the 1930s to not have a confirmed identity - fewer people wanting to see your id all the time.
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Still, it's nice to think he might somehow find happiness, and there's always the potential hilarity of Cam's Crazy Great Uncle John showing up at the SGC the day he gets back from the De-Ba'aling ceremony and turning out to be him. Nevermind that he'd be a bazillion years old - I blame his various encounters with alien technology.
Also, on a completely unrelated note, yes, Landry is creeptastic. I suppose he might have had a point about the timelines, but wow, he said that in about the most disturbing way possible. I wrote him out of my Big Fic O'Doom because I couldn't trust myself not to go overboard with the creepiness.
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OMG! That would be awesome! Someone needs to write that crack.
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I suppose he might have had a point about the timelines, but wow, he said that in about the most disturbing way possible.
Yeah... although his timeline was about to involve the enslaving of the planet by Ba'al, so I'm not sure he had that much of a good point, really.
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*shrug* I'm still on the Jennifer/Rodney fence, so either way you want to spin it.
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Hmm, true. I actually don't mind the idea of Rodney and Teyla (though isn't it really Ronon's turn to get the girl? He hasn't had any romantic subplots), I just wish they wouldn't spring it out of nowhere (again).
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Interestingly, this is the first episode where I outright liked Keller. I think it's because she's finally showing a spine in her command role.
I think they seriously flubbed her characters motivations, though. In my mind, Keller's been watching Rodney make these videos. She knows he's said his goodbyes and made his peace. The shrine thing becomes more about everyone else's peace of mind, and for her patient, that's not right. But they showed Rodney's goodbyes to late, and they didn't explicitly point out that Keller understood what Rodney would want and Keller never explains her motivations to the rest of the team. So you don't understand Keller's point of view until you're already annoyed with her apparent feet dragging.
Rodney's 'I love you' to Keller - yeah, I don't think so. One drink the better part of a year ago, and they clearly get on well enough, so, why no further move if he's in love?
He did take a damn long time to court Katie (I think the whole Cadman thing was just Katie's excuse for why he was being so damn awkward and nervous, personally). I didn't mind that they didn't show much Rodney/Katie on screen. But Keller's a damn regular. They should at least have a few shy smiles in the background and slightly embarrassed conversations most episodes.
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Continuum is Cam's "Moebius." Cam is Daniel.
I think for at least the ten years before rescuing the 'Gate, Cam was establishing himself as a merchant mariner and I'm betting he continued in that role through the war (he'd have been too old at that point to sign up for WWII); it would have given him the opportunity to serve. And I bet he continued until he was forced to retire and became a sad, slightly bitter hermit. And he left a time capsule journal, and all his old SG-1 stuff to be turned over to the SGC at the appropriate time where it would no longer interfere with the timeline. And then he died of lung cancer in the late sixties, so before he died he left another time sensitive letter to his future self to get regular check-ups.
And Landry - God, he gives me the creeps. What right do they have to change the timeline? Excuse me, their timeline was there first! It's the one that should have existed, what right does he have to keep it the way it is now? Shudder.
I don't think anyone is right in this situation. We're supposed to feel like SG-1's universe is the right universe, but it's sucky for everyone all around. I like Landry in general, but yeah, this incarnation of him also made me very uncomfortable.
I want to write the story where, in the first alternate timeline, he looks up John and finds that he was killed in Afghanistan a few years ago (no, I don't know why he was either).
Why do you keep killing John?! And putting poor Cam through deep and horrible angst. John could live, but Cam would never approach him because he wouldn't want to get John in trouble. He'd just bump into him in a bar shortly after he got divorced. And maybe he'd think it was safe enough to be someone John could come home to. They'd be on the same planet like they could never be in his reality. He could have the relationship with John that he'd always wanted, but it wouldn't be the same because John without Atlantis is always just a little bit wrong.
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Yeah, definitely. And particularly with the way the episode ended, for me it came across as a little bit too much like she didn't want to let him go because he said he was in love with her. Not that the others weren't motivated by personal feelings, but she's the doctor, she's not meant to be.
But Keller's a damn regular. They should at least have a few shy smiles in the background and slightly embarrassed conversations most episodes.
Exactly! One drink a year ago and then nothing.
I think for at least the ten years before rescuing the 'Gate, Cam was establishing himself as a merchant mariner and I'm betting he continued in that role through the war (he'd have been too old at that point to sign up for WWII); it would have given him the opportunity to serve.
I like this explanation. It makes a lot of sense.
Why do you keep killing John?! And putting poor Cam through deep and horrible angst.
I've only killed him once! And that wasn't even me, that was the show. The trouble with him running into John is that they must have mentioned Atlantis at some point, and someone would have asked who was out there, and so they'd know about John. And Sam, Cam and Daniel are almost certainly being watched or kept an eye on, and I think Cam would end up in trouble if he approached John. Plus, you know, it's still deep and horrible angst, because Cam ends up in a whole other timeline all over again, where the John in that timeline doesn't exist yet, and the John in the old timeline is either dead or enslaved. Though I could go for an au of the whole thing, where John ends up in the third timeline with Cam and they save the stargate and grow old together. Happy endings (ish) all round :)
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I thought of this, but decided to ignore it in favor of my happy ending. Although I think Cam would be more worried about hurting John's career. I like your whole au thing. They need an extra pilot and a gene carrier to operate Ba'al's device so they get John. And Cam having to explain to John about SG and alternate timelines in like fifteen minutes with Sam and Daniel interjecting "helpful" comments.
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Yeah, and Cam standing there glaring at them going, ok, stop helping, while John goes along with it because apparently the hot guy he's been sort of dating for a while is insane, but he's still, you know, kind of hot, so there have to be worse things than going along with him.
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I agree. And I'm really hoping
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They wouldn't even necessarily be stuck on Earth, either, because Ba'al had his handy dialing device. They could kill him, dump the jaffa overboard, and then bugger off to somewhere nice to retire - say, the Nox world or a place like that where they can't hurt anything timeline-wise and there's plenty of surfing.
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The point is - surfing! Happiness! No angst!