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[bluflamingo]

Quick question...



At the start of the episode, John says that the SGC doesn't have a ZPM, so a trip home means three weeks on the Daedalus as well, to get back to Atlantis. And in Echoes, Elizabeth says that, of the three ZPMs from when the Ancients were on Atlantis, Atlantis got one, one went to the Antarctic outpost, and one went to the Odyssey.

The Odyssey was destroyed, I think (ETA: all right, not the Odyssey. I'm mixing it up with the Prometheus, which really was destroyed), so now there's only one on Earth, but then how have they been dialling Atlantis, like in Miller's Crossing when they, presumably, dialled Atlantis to ask them to send the Wraith? Also, Sam came through the gate when she came to Atlantis, so how did they dial the gate to send her?

I only ask, because that one sentence totally derailed a major plot point in my santa fic and I need a fix. Not that I couldn't come up with one, probably, but if canon already supplied one, since they just supplied the problem, that would be nice :)

Grr, just one more thing not to like about that episode.

Comments

[ariadne83]

Miller's Crossing takes place before Midway, so theoretically they could use the midway station somehow to relay the message (I think this is what they say in Adrift, when we see Carter and Lee on the station trying to find Atlantis). Everyone who arrives after the station is destroyed beams down, e.g. Woolsey in The Seed, from the Daedalus.

[bluflamingo.livejournal.com]

Rats, I'd forgotten about that. Thanks.

Though it still doesn't explain what they're using to send messages from Earth - the IOA member last week thought the fake message was from Earth, and no-one questioned that it could have been sent (just that it hadn't), but they didn't have anything to let them do that during season 1. Not that it would help with the people sending thing, but what is it?!

[miss-zedem.livejournal.com]

Could they have had a partially depleted ZPM, and it's now dead? Not up to speed with s5, but I'm pretty sure they had something prior to that...

[bluflamingo.livejournal.com]

They could, I suppose, though I don't think they ever mentioned having one. Makes more sense than anything else.

[angelofmercy.livejournal.com]

Odyssey's not destroyed and I'm thinking it's like the data burst they sent in the end of the first season maybe. Very short connection, usually just uploads and downloads, not direct face-to-face contact.

[bluflamingo.livejournal.com]

Odyssey's not destroyed

You're right - I think I'm thinking of the Prometheus, which of course got destroyed in season 9 so wouldn't have needed one of the ZPMs by the time they found them, because it was in several hundred peices.

Very short connection, usually just uploads and downloads, not direct face-to-face contact.

Well, sure, but still - what do they power the gate with to send them? They used up the last bit of power in their ZPM to dial home at the end of season 1, which implies they couldn't do it with anything else, so what are the SGC using? They must have *something*

[ariadne83]

It was The Prometheus that was destroyed, towards the end of SG-1's season 9. They mention it in Phantoms. So, the Odyssey's ZPM must still be available?

[bluflamingo.livejournal.com]

It was The Prometheus that was destroyed

Yeah, I realised that after I went to bed :)

So, the Odyssey's ZPM must still be available?

Yeah, but I guess the Odyssey is using it for whatever it does, so it's probably not available for zapping people between universes, more's the pity. Which is not to say it couldn't be temporarily available of course...

[asugar.livejournal.com]

When was the Odyssey destroyed? It looked just fine if a little battered at the end of ark of truth.

[bluflamingo.livejournal.com]

You're right, it was. I'm thinking of the Prometheus, which really was destroyed. Don't ask how I managed to get the two confused, I have no idea!

[slybrarian.livejournal.com]

The Odyssey is perfectly fine, and as far as we know its ZPM wasn't drained in Ark. For that matter, there's still the almost-full ZPM in Antarctica. The only way John's comment makes sense is if the SGC or IOA is just being cranky about using power to send people to Atlantis. It doesn't make sense, but there you go.

[bluflamingo.livejournal.com]

The Odyssey is perfectly fine

Yeah, I'm confusing it with the Prometheus, I think.

The only way John's comment makes sense is if the SGC or IOA is just being cranky about using power to send people to Atlantis.

I guess the SGC thinks that the ZPMs are needed where they are, and it's not like they can just be zapped from one place to another whenever they need to dial the gate. I just wish he'd never mentioned it, since I was qite happily writing people gating from Earth to Atlantis until then and now I need to make something up for the story I'm halfway through, in which him going to Earth for what's essentially a vacation is kind of a big deal. Grr

[dossier.livejournal.com]

as far as I recall, the ZPM slated for Earth is in Antarctica, powering the chair/weapon. I believe that it was a mess up on the writer's part, because to send a message, they would have to take the ZPM from there, deliver it to the SGC, and then return it. Or, theory: they've stopped manning Antarctica on a full time basis, since defeating Adria. However, a wormhole to Atlantis drained their ZPM the first trip out, and the databurst is a very low power alternative. Humans would still need to go back via ship.

Oh, and by the way, The Odyssey... (j/k)

[bluflamingo.livejournal.com]

Or, theory: they've stopped manning Antarctica on a full time basis, since defeating Adria. However, a wormhole to Atlantis drained their ZPM the first trip out, and the databurst is a very low power alternative. Humans would still need to go back via ship.

That makes sense, I guess. Well, more sense than 'they're sending messgages with a huge pile of double a batteries', at any rate :)

[(Anonymous)]

Remember that earth does have lots of those souped-up naquada generators with a lot more power capacity than what Atlantis used for their initial databurst in "Letters to Pegasus." I doubt they could establish a stable enough wormhole for a person to make the crossing, but they do theoretically have the ability to contact Atlantis through the gate with a databurst from the SGC.